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@Zilacon

"Well arent you cute? Pyvesb's savior is here folks!" What are you some sort of cliche super villian? Are you now going to tell me your evil plot for world domination as well?

"...and yet it works better then this plugin..." If STL worked perfectly 'out-of-the-box' you wouldn't be here and wouldn't have bothered with EW.

"And i run 14 servers..." That's a pretty impressive talent you have there, being able to look down on everyone from your high horse simultaneously with your head up your own butt. If you can't be bothered to test even a simple plugin for your players than it's not a matter of time it's a matter of you over-extending yourself. You know what over-extending means right?

"Instead he flips me the bird and says F Off i dont support cauldron..." Where does he do that and how would he be able to textually 'flip you off'? All I can see is that he politely refuses to help and even says that he is sorry that you're experiencing issues. Not sure you could ask for a better way to be told no.

"when right below my message he was very happy to help another person using cauldron..." Guess who that other person was (if you bothered to read)? That's right, its me. If you notice very carefully I never directly said something like 'this plugin sucks because it doesn't support Cauldron, I demand you support it'. I very carefully and, unlike yours, very politely crafted my comment to the dev because I fully understood Cauldron is now UNSUPPORTED! I gave him suggestions he could use for all users of his plugin and the only issue I had (squids, amirite) I simply asked his thoughts on how that would be possible, I didn't demand that he fix them. Since you claim to have supported other devs for years, I'm surprised you haven't realized that the best way to get a response from someone is by saying things like 'please' and 'thank you' and not harassing them. You know, super simple stuff.

"...when we never cussed at him, insulted him, etc..." You're right, as far as I can see you never directly insulted him, good for you. However, the way that you complained he won't support Cauldron and continue to do so even after he refused is harassment. You said what you wanted to say, move on.

"We stated he is claiming his plugin is better then someone elses". This is the only valid point you have and you continue to harp on it. So what? Do you write harsh letters to McDonalds because the burger they advertised doesn't look as tasty as what you got? Do you write complaints on soft drink websites because they used the word 'extreme' in their advertising when clearly it is not 'extreme'? The dude made an ad, it was your choice whether you listened to it or not.

"And when someone asks why hes helping someone else with cauldron but not him he deletes their comment" Are you sure that's all you said? Somehow I don't believe you said that in a civil manner. That's besides the fact, as I mentioned above, I was that other user and I never asked him to fix my issue. All I did was ask about possibilities as to why it was happening and if he could add more config options so I could disable certain parts of EW. Which you'll notice, he never said he'd add those options.

"You are not proving anything and you are not making any sort of difference." Finally we agree on something! What do YOU get from continuing to complain here? Do you get some kind of twisted satisfaction by continuing to call him a bad dev? Do you think that if you continue to harass him he is suddenly going to have a change of heart and say "of course zil, anything you say, I will be your personal dev and if you'd like I'll also be your floor mat"? Ya, it doesn't work that way. No means no and in this case he is doing what 99% of other devs are doing, not supporting Cauldron.

"Helping track down issues, test plugins, and submit ideas and suggestions" Whoa there. Test plugins? I thought you didn't have 'time' for that? For someone so quick to call another a hypocrite, you sure do sound like one yourself.

"shun anyone away if they say something on their work is broken" First, it's not broken. As I've already shown you via my album, it works fine on Cauldron. This is a personal problem you have. Second, he didn't shun you. He refused to support outdated server software. Do you think if I called Microsoft support today and told them I had a problem with my Windows 95 operating system that they wouldn't laugh in my face? At least Pyvesb just politely refused you.

So to wrap things up. You are mad for three reasons:

1. You feel as though you were deceived by false advertising. Fair enough. EW isn't STL 2.0. What it is is a plugin that is still being updated, unlike STL which had its last version at CB 1.7.2.. Cauldron aside, that is outdated even by Bukkit standards. All you're doing by yelling 'Pyvesb is a big, fat phony!' is hurting the struggling Bukkit community. Here is a guy that is willing to keep trying to produce free content for people to effectively run their servers and you're calling him a bad dev. Ever hear of don't bite the hand that feeds? Where would your '14 servers' be without the content of devs who were willing to produce it because they enjoyed doing so. There's no enjoyment to be gained from ungrateful people, like yourself, who constantly harass devs because they can't have their way.
2. You didn't bother to test the plugin before you put it on your live servers and you and your players lost items and entities. You are blaming Pyvesb for this because you need a scapegoat. I'm almost 100% certain that you also told your players it was the devs fault and not yours. Who knows if the next plugin you don't bother to test ends up corrupting your world files.
3. You perceived incorrectly that someone (me) was getting preferential treatment for practically the same issue you had. Again, this is incorrect, I mentioned that his plugin works on Cauldron servers, gave suggestions, and asked for possibilities as to why I had that squid problem. You complained that it didn't work on your Cauldron server and caused you to lose items and entities. You didn't bother to give any details on what could be causing this issue such as logs or configuration files.

As I've mentioned before, EW works on Cauldron servers. It is your issue if it's not working for you. I'm done responding to you and will not do so further. Just from what you posted so far, I and anyone who reads them can determine that you're rude to devs who produce free content for you, can't be bothered to test plugins that might affect your players enjoyment, and are unreasonable and can't take no for an answer. By continuing to post here you're proving my points and tarnishing any good you and your network, APOC Gaming, had to its name. My advice to you Zilacon? Leave and don't come back.

@Ratismal

I can't speak to the deleted comments (obviously) but I can say there are two forms of negative feedback: constructive criticism and whining, complaining, and insulting.

If it was of the former then I whole-heartily agree with you that developers shouldn't shun people that are trying to help them improve their work/skills. For example, "you should do X as it will help fix Y" or "Please add X, it will help me do Y".

However, if it was of the latter then there is no reason for them to keep that on their page. For example, "X really sucks" or "all of you should ignore this dev because they said X to me". That is not helpful nor does it help the situation. All you've done is lower the devs morale and make them wonder why they even bother. If this were a paid product, I can see any negative feedback being erased would seem sketchy and those devs having to suck it up because they were being paid for their service. But it's not, it's a free program that only costs you a 'thank you'. Ether offer constructive feedback or move on.

As far as posting on STL's page goes, that plugin has been dead for over a year and the only reason I found this one was because of one of those comments. The grim reality is that there are fewer and fewer devs bothering to continue their work since Bukkit is officially dead. We need to be thankful for and support those that are still around.

@Zilacon

Zil, this is in regards to the post you wrote on the STL page about EW.

First, let me start off by saying I'm torn on your stance with EW. On one hand, the author of EW did state that their plugin was "more feature-packed and efficient" than STL and STL did claim that it was designed with modded servers in mind. So if-so fact-so, EW should support modded servers as well (which it does btw, I'm getting to that). Pyvesb may have acted a little underhandedly with advertising on another plugins website but to be honest STL hasn't been updated in over a year...

That being said, on the other hand, I disagree with the way you've handled this. It really, really boils my blood when I see entitled people, like yourself, throw temper tantrums because they don't get their way from someone providing them with a FREE service.

So let me educate you with some info. I run a Cauldron 1.7.10 server as well and I fully understand that Cauldron as well as Bukkit have been discontinued/unsupported over the past years drama. This means there is less technical support for Cauldron/Bukkit and more 'take it or leave it'. The only reason there's still versions being updated is due to anonymous supporters. So with that in mind, it is extremely fortunate there are still devs that are working on Bukkit plugins.

Let me address some of your comments on the STL page. "What amazes me is he says he only supports bukkit. Cauldron IS Bukkit with Forge." Cauldron is more 1 part Bukkit and 1 part Forge. It is a blend of the two server frameworks that has programming 'hooks' that may or may not act the same way that you'd expect a plugin or mod to work on a solely Bukkit or Forge server. It was up to the Cauldron team (blood and his group) to resolve these quirks. Saying "Cauldron IS Bukkit with Forge" is like saying after mixing blue and yellow paint together to make green that the green paint is still blue.

"...resulted in it removing everyone's tamed animals, farm animals, paintings, item frames..." Wait what?! Are you saying you ran a plugin you've never tested before on a LIVE server? Destroying all of your player's work? Dude really... For your players sake, I hope you made backups. That's like basic stuff to make a side server to test stuff on before you implement it on a live server.

Which brings me to my main point. Here are pictures of me testing on my 1.7.10 Cauldron server and "/ew clear 1 item" correctly only removing items. Nothing else. EW cleaning items There are other commands that can be used to remove other entities but it is your choice whether you use them. The plugin running alongside the several objects from mods around should tell you this is in fact a Cauldron server.

Some closing remarks. As you can see EW works on Cauldron servers. Which means that the failure is on your part. You are either using the plugin incorrectly, have a conflicting version of Cauldron, or it could be a conflict with your 160+ modpack you're using... Which is another whole subject in itself but somehow I bet that you don't know what at least half of those mods do. Or for that matter all the dimensions they create, which is probably why you're getting "hundreds if not thousands of lines of logs".

@Pyvesb

Thanks for the consideration!

I've tried several times to recreate the squid issue but after restarting the server the problem seems to have vanished. While it was still active though I did notice that they wouldn't appear when I was in the same chunk but once I moved to another area they started multiplying. It could be that something was trying to unload the chunk but it wouldn't unload so it kept unloading/loading and thus kept spawning mobs over and over. Idk. Nothing unusual in the logs/console but it was interesting watching Opis count entities up in to the 1000s lol.

Anyways, look forward to the future progress you make on your plugin, keep up the great work!

Hi there!

Just wanted to say in the short amount of testing I've done, the plugin you'll have created really does wonders! I have some suggestions for you. First, full disclosure, I'm running a cauldron 1.7.10 server (I know, I know) so I'm using your plugin in conjuncture with mods that add entities. So far it seems to work fairly well, there are only a few mods that don't plug in to vanilla type spawning so they're arent caught but everything else works great!

My suggestions:

1. Perform a check before a trim/clean is made for user nametagged mobs. Trimming/cleaning removes these. I'm not sure if it also removes pets but that would definitely need fixing as well.
2. Add an ambient (e.g. bats) category. Mods that add mobs tend to extend this category quite a lot so it would be very helpful to have a way to remove them as well.
3. This is more of a nitpick but consider changing squids to 'watermob' or 'watercreature'. I've seen that your plugin works with water based creatures from mods so why not take credit for that?
4. Add an auto-trim feature. You already have alerts set up, why not take it a step farther and just automatically clean up chunks when they get too big? I plan on writing a script to do trims in intervals but this might be a nice in-built addition.
5. Consider adding/differentiating between spawn-types (e.g. Mob Spawners, Natural, Passive, Breeding, etc.). I plan on using your plugin to reduce afk mob farms so it may be helpful if you had a method of being able to limit specifically those spawns and leave natural spawns alone, or what have you.

Thanks for making such an awesome plugin!

Update:

Sorry to say but I might've spoken too soon. It doesn't seem to work exactly as smoothly as I thought. This is of course could be at no fault to you but Entity Watch could be conflicted with one of my other plugins/mods.

Squids seem to multiply in certain chunks to an out of control proportion. Just squids though, which is odd. Here's a pic after about 2 hours with the test server running, about 2500 squids: Squidpocalypse

And one about 10 mins after cleaning up, about 350 squids in the same chunk: Lesser Squidpocalypse

Like I said I'm running other mods/plugins that may influence this along with Entity Watch. Some are Just Another Spawner, The Cleaner, WorldEdit, and Opis. Without Entity Watch, this doesn't happen. I'm not sure why specifically squids would spawn out of control. Is there something that deals with squids that's different from Animals/Monsters? I understand that I'm running Cauldron and as such my issue may be unique. Any chance though that you'd be able to disable certain parts of what Entity Watch 'watches'? That way I could still use the Monsters/Animals bit.

@Pyvesb

Alright thanks. Mostly I'm concerned with endermites right now, they are chosen before endermen which could be a problem for end farms.

Could you please allow setting the priority in config for which mobs to trim first?

See your update just now
Thanks you for that :D

Going to try now

@Pyvesb

I would say combine solution 1 and solution 3.
Having a command to turn off display of worlds without exceeding number of entities temporarily.
Also you can still show all worlds if NO world has too many entiies.

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http://discuz.slash-bam.tk/forum.php